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note: This news article is a direct copy from my journal ([link].


Morning everyone!

While browsing dA today's morning, I noticed a huge change. Stacks. My reaciton went from "Whaaaa :noes:" to "Wheeee :lol:" very quickly, when I realised, that the number of deviations in my devWATCH decreased suddenly from 3,300 (seriously!) to only 388 stacks! That is a wow!

But a few moments later I saw a poll where people were terribly complaining about the new change. That surprised me, since I was personally fond of the new system. However, I noticed many users actually didn't know how it exactly works, so I decided to write down this journal. Let me quote a few complaints and make things clear.

:bulletblue:I hate the change, it kills browsing!
I wonder why, actually? The stack system sorts deviations by artists and collects them in single stacks. For me it makes browsing easier - I don't have to dig through hundreds of deviations anymore, I just click on an artist I want to check and there I see all their submissions since the last time I cleared my message box. :D

:bulletblue:There should be an option to bring back the old system!!
Hey, but there is! I don't understand people who complain before even checking. Just go to "Deviations" under your "devWATCH" tab in message center and on the top you still have "Sort by Date" and "Sort by Sender" options. The only thing that may annoy is that when you come back to the main center, there are still stacks remanining. But no one forces you to browse deviations there...

:bulletblue:It's terrible, I deleted the whole stack by only one misclick!
It is true that you can easily get rid of the stack by simply clicking "x", but then the system ASKS you if you really want to delete the deviations. I understand one missclick, but TWO? :o

:bulletblue:I'm pissed that I can't open stacks on different tabs in my browser!
True. That's the thing they omitted. It would improve the stack system a lot, I hope they'll fix that!

:bulletblue:And now I won't know if my fav artist adds something, because it will be added to the stack, not to the list in my message box!
Not true. If an artist submit a new deviation, it is added to the stack, but at the same time this stack gets updated - and it appears at the very beginning of other stacks.

:bulletblue:There's no point in adding deviations to groups now! People will mostly delete whole stacks before even looking inside.
Well, I admit that MAY BE a big disadvantage. Even before the change, when your devWATCH was flooded by groups submissions, impatient users had to delete them manually, which made them at least look at each of them. Now the submissions are in stacks, so let's assume that there's a very ugly one at the very top of the stack - many people will tend to delete them! OK, maybe I'm exaggerating, but I'm afraid that it will go like that. (note: it's not about me, it's about other people who do that xD)


Do you have anything to add? Please share your opinion! If we want to improve deviantART, we should point out everything that bugs us. Come on! :la:
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:icongeekwithattitude:
For awhile a was able to just refresh my deviantwatch page, and I could click on the stacks each time. Now that won't work. If DA is responsible, then they should look into this.
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`anako-art Sep 30, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
this article is almost two years old, so don't refer to it as to something up-to-date ;p
if you have any issues with deviantART functionality, I advice you to contact dA staff directly ;)
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*goku-no-baka May 24, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
A wiesz przez ten nowy system totalnie nie dostaje informacji od niektorych ludkow o nowym obrazku D:
W sumie dopiero zauwazylam to jak postnelam swoja prace i kilka osob napisalo ze jej nie widzi, bo wczesniej jeczalam ze cos sie skrzaczylo przy wgrywaniu.
Od czasu tego nowego systemu nie pojawiaja sie u mnie prace postowane przez ludkow, albo jezeli pojawiaja to wybiorczo XD;
Owszem, zdarzalo sie to tez wczesniej ale teraz sie to nasililo XD;
v7 failplz :C
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:iconmega-chan11:
I don't know if it's been mentioned but... is there a way to unstack journals? I'm fine with having deviations stacked but not journals.
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~nikkihog Feb 21, 2010  Student General Artist
heh i wasn't very happy with the change ^^; but it would improve things alot to be able to open new tabs c:

my only other issue with it is when i click on the stack and it opens the stack, nothing shows up half the time -m-' might be my crappy computer though...
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:iconthebulletalchemist:
It kills browsing because my browser won't load stacks, and therefore your second bullet is invalid.
My mouse has a problem that is sometimes double clicks when I want it to click once, deleting stacks even though I didn't mean to.
I can't load stacks at all, so this point is also invalid.
Yet another invalid point since my browser WILL NOT LOAD STACKS.
I delete all stacks because I can't view them. So yea, it is pointless. deviantART is now pointless for me. Thanks a lot, stacks.

Before anyone decides to jump to conclusions about how I must be using a shitty browser: I am using the latest version of Firefox.

Stacks are shit, and I now can't do anything in my message center because of them.

I, and a few other people, are actually leaving dA until we have the option to perminantly shut stacks off. I really hope that's soon, becase the majority of the people I know who are leaving are subscribers, which means dA is going to lose a lot of paying customers.

<sarcasm>This was a really great idea, staff!</sarcasm>
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`anako-art Feb 21, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
lol, why in the world are you taking it SO seriously? O.o this is just internet...
and you actually CAN turn the stacks off in the "Deviations" tab in your message center. it will affect only that place, but you'll be able to look at the deviations the way you did before!
and, come on, leaving dA just beause you can't do it in your main message center? a bit of pathetic...
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*echomrg Feb 19, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
this really looks like steve jobs trying to convince people that the fact that the iphone doesn't have flash support is actually a feature and not a bug.

it's bullshit! ;)

i'm pretty sure there's a workaround for every problem created by stacks but the point is that the "old" way wasn't actually broken (i *personally* thinks it worked well enough) and that making the new system mandatory without any chance to opt out just sucks.

and no, going to "deviations" and choosing "sort by date" doesn't fix it: the "all" page still shows stacks and the "all" page was everything i had to use before the stacks implementation. that's the whole point of the "all" page: not needing to go into each section of the message area. besides, why not showing the "sort by date" button on the "all" page too? put that there too and i'm a happy camper.

popups and confirmation windows are useless, there are plenty of studies showing that they simply get ignored through iterations: do you really *think* each time you click on the confirm popup to empty your trashcan?


don't get me wrong, i'm all for innovations but:
- they need testing
- they should be optional, at least at first, until they're tested and refined
- they shouldn't take away

M
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:iconxjemstonex:
The only thing I wish could change is that when browsing through a stack it should stay on that stack, then get to the next one afterwards. When a stack is updated I'll sometimes delete work I don't want to see and then click the first picture to go through thr rest of everything in my Devwatch, but I won't know where I'm starting. So usually I have to go back to my Devwatch and find out which pictures got passed up and I missed. Browsing stack by stack would just be easier.
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:iconnara-chibi:
Personally, I think stacks are a great idea and I like them alot, but there's one change I would make to them. I think it would be more convient if dA would make it so when you scroll over a stack with your mouse,
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